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The problem was, because he was gay and basically homosexual activity was illegal, then I don't think he was liked at all. There was a lot of gay bashing going on, as you'd probably know. So they were gangs of teddy boys or something similar, bashing gays up in the toilets in various parks. And so, it was a no-no to even tell anybody that you were gay, so it was a secret activity. &#13;
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Everybody told me that he was gay, but I couldn't... I mean, what's an ignorant kid looking at one man to another and saying, There's any difference between Ray Gosling and any other man? He was, what I thought, very well-spoken, refined, articulate, and all the things that you'd probably want to be myself, you know, somebody to look up to. </text>
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